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Monday, March 12, 2012

Sub-Mariner-Ken Bald/Allen Bellman-1947


I love these wacky, off-model Subby stories that were burned off in BLONDE PHANTOM in the latter days of Timely's superheroes. Although one was drawn by creator Bill Everett, the rest were odd items like this one, ultra-short and with Namor teamed with cousin Namora and her blinders. 



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Tuesday, September 1, 2009

"Imperius Rex"

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People wonder what is the deal with Namor, shouting 'imperius rex' as he attacks? Stan Lee once said that he came up with Namor's catchphrase of "Imperius Rex" just because he liked how it sounded. It sounded both regal and arrogant, something fitting Namor's persona.But it's much more than that.As for a translation, it's something like "Imperial King." or Imperial prince..Stan Lee might have he liked the sound of it,but you bet he understood the mean as well.

What does "Imperious Rex" Mean?

It has also been featured in comic books when the character Namor gets into fight but and sounds similar to the word in Odiepus Rex. Imperius is obviously a word for Empire. Rex means King. ... They are Latin words that literally translate as : imperious: power, empire. rex: king The term "imperious rex" is a way of recognizing the sovereign title of a ruler. "Imperator Rex" means "King Emperor" or "King Commander".Imperious means- something like controlling or all powerful like a dictator.It is Prince Namors way of saying my right,my rule.I have spoken or my will be done or carried out. Main Entry: imperial Part of Speech: adjective Definition: regal Synonyms: domineering, kingly, lordly, magisterial, majestic, royal, sovereign, stately Notes: imperial pertains to the qualities of power and royalty; imperious implies that someone is overbearing or domineering Main Entry: authoritative Part of Speech: adjective Definition: official, authorized Synonyms: administrative, approved, bureaucratic, canonical, departmental, ex cathedra, ex officio, executive, imperial, lawful, legal, legitimate, magisterial, mandatory, ruling, sanctioned, sovereign, supreme Antonyms: democratic


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Saturday, May 31, 2008

JEMAS, WATSON TALK NAMOR

JEMAS, WATSON TALK NAMOR-on How one non creative dick,almost re-ran Marvel back toward bankrupsey.

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Add an acclaimed indy writer, a controversial company President, an up and coming Japanese artist, and Marvel’s king of Atlantis, and what do you get? A hit – hopefully. Looking to capture lighting in a bottle again, Marvel’s Namor series will be co-written by Bill Jemas and Andi Watson and illustrated by Mizuki Sakakibara, and is, appropriately enough, the debut title of Marvel’s Tsunami initiative. Newsarama spoke with the primaries for some more juice.

The title will be the next of Marvel’s books to utilize the 25-cent pricing, with the May-debuting Namor #1 costing two bits, and issue #2 shipping in the same month as well. While Namor has been featured in his own series at least twice before, the Tsunami Namor will throw in a different angle. Rather than the adult, “Imperius Rex!” shouting, Sue Richards-pining, foul-tempered…prick that he’s been shown as for years, the Jemas/Watson Namor series will be set in the 1930s, back when Namor was just a guppy.

Alright, when he was a teenager.

The idea for a new Namor series originated with Jemas, who saw a new series starring the Sub-Mariner a means of killing a couple of birds with one stone – dusting and polishing the character. “It’s always story first, and a couple of fun ideas for Namor have been swirling around in my mind for the past couple of months,” Jemas said. “Namor is one of those all-time-great Marvel characters who had lost a little luster over the years. The more I thought about Namor and Atlantis, the more the story threads began to fit together. And, on top of that, Universal Studios is in full-scale development of a Namor blockbuster film. That means that Namor should rise back to mainstream prominence at some point, in the relatively near future and that Marvel Comics needs to prepare for that eventuality.”

From initial idea, Marvel editorial went about further developing the idea of an ongoing Namor series, and began casting its nets to see who could be tapped as a writer. Given the experimental nature of the title, Marvel went back to the experimental, but successful approach it too with Ultimate Spider-Man - take a creator with a very solid reputation in independent and small press comics, and team him with Jemas on an established character.

Ultimately, the development process centered on a teenage Namor, which set the book in the 1930s – a largely unexplored time period in the character’s life, as well as one that allows for a fair amount of interaction with the surface world without encumbering the series with early Marvel Universe continuity (technically, and going all continuity for a moment, according to Marvels, the Human Torch was created and first appeared in 1939 and was then buried. Namor made his presence known to the surface world in a big way shortly after the Human Torch reappeared, circa 1940 in Marvel Universe time, at least).

In regards to a writer, the needle finally stopped spinning when it reached Andi Watson, who’s made a name for himself with the critically acclaimed Skeleton Key, Geisha, Breakfast After Noon, Slow News Day[/b], and Dumped. While Skeleton Key and Geisha played with science fiction and fantasy concepts, Watson’s latter works have all focused on romance and interpersonal relationships – something that he’ll revisit with Namor, which he describes as a straight-ahead romance book.

“I certainly wasn't the first name that came up,” Watson said. “From what I gather there'd been some time working on a fresh direction for the character, unencumbered by continuity. Eventually the Prohibition era concept came up and making the focus of the book a love story. I think Bill was aware of my own books, Breakfast After Noon for instance, saw I could write characters/relationships and invited me to write a sample full script. They liked it and I got the gig.”

For his longtime fans, the move may seem curious, but for Watson, writing Namor is a chance to further experiment and explore. ”For me, Namor is compelling because he brings a whole lot of social/cultural questions with him,” Watson said. “A guy torn between two worlds, two different cultures with conflicting priorities, also, any story with Namor kind of has to include ecological elements as well. In short, he's interesting without getting too heavy.

“As for the time period, personally I find Prohibition era America fascinating, so it makes an interesting backdrop. More pragmatically, this book predates existing continuity. This way the die-hard continuity types aren't upset yet we're free to tell stories without the worry of getting tangled up in comics history. If continuity was an issue I certainly wouldn't have got the job, I've never followed a superhero book in my life.

“Having an eye on the bookstores and a whole new audience, the last thing we want to do is scare potential readers away by requiring any prior knowledge of the Marvel universe. The intention is for readers to be able to pick up the book and enjoy it right away.”

As far as the art for the series goes, Mizuki Sakakibara is a relative newcomer to both the American and Japanese comics scenes. “I’ve known her for a few years,” series editor C.B. Cebulski said. “She’s big on the Japanese dojinshi [fanzine] scene, and has a wonderful style that mixes manga sensibilities with a more American art style. She did an X-Men tribute book and a self-published retelling of Little Red Riding Hood that really caused us to stand up and take notice of her style.”

According to Cebulski, Sakakibara was one of several Japanese artists who were looking to find their way into the American comics market, and someone who was an ace up Cebulski’s sleeve for just such a project as Namor. “I’ve always wanted to get something going with her,” Cebulski said. “Her art immediately jumped put at me the first time I saw it. She’s a big Marvel fan and loves the X-Men. She’s been doing a lot of freelance work in Japan but I always told her to keep me in mind when her schedule cleared. She did a Storm pin-up for me that will be in an upcoming issue of X-Men Unlimited, and when the Namor project arose, she was someone who immediately came to mind. I was psyched she accepted.

”She has a very fine line. Very clean and soft. And she captures people's expressions perfectly. The realism she is able to bring to characters and settings, especially in an underwater environment, were perfect for what we wanted. She is not overly cartoony and her art flows from panel to panel - it's CLAMP meets Adam Hughes.”

While initial comments on the overall image of the series suggested that it was a male-centered Little Mermaid, that is, with the boy who lives under the sea getting the hots for someone above, Jemas suggested that while the theme is one of romance, another will be along the lines of the Hero’s Journey, as the prince grows into his role of one day becoming king of, essentially, the planet.

“By birthright, Namor is destined to rule Atlantis, but by his nature, he finds himself yearning for the land and falling in love with a land girl,” Jemas said. “They are the perfect leads for a particular kind so love story. I don’t want to give it away other than to say; this will not be a Romeo and Juliet clone.”

Watson: “In this book he's a teen with teen concerns, girls mainly, but also growing into a more responsible role. He's a future leader of his people and teenagers don't always have the best judgment. They're clouded by hormones or naive idealism. So, he faces the same kind of issues as most teens only the consequences for his decisions are greater. Where average kids get grounded, Namor has much higher stakes.”

Currently, and as Jemas commented through the first twelve issues, Jemas will provide rough outlines of where he sees the arcs going, and allow Watson to do the rest.

”Since I came on board after the concepts and characters were figured out, there’s none of that to do,” Watson said. “So far I've been working from beat sheets which set down the scenes and dialogue. I go in, break down the pages, think about pacing, storytelling, characterization, dialogue etc.”

After the first twelve issues, Jemas is hoping that his relationship with Watson evolves to a similar form of what he and Bendis share now on Ultimate Spider-Man. “Right now, my relationship with Brian on Ultimate Spider-Man is that I call him once a month to say thank you – he is turning in some of the best work in comics on a turn key basis,” Jemas said. “But when Ultimate Spider-Man started, the situation was very similar to the relationship with Andi right now. I do the initial character development and beat sheets for the first arc. After that, I stand back and let Andi go full script with a lot of freedom to do what he does best.”

As for the story itself, Marvel has promised a few more previews prior to the first issue shipping, but basically, the stage will be set with the first arc with a slight reminder or two of where things are set before cutting Namor loose in the Atlantic.

“In the first arc, there may be a Marvel Universe surprise or two, but it is pretty much free-standing,” Jemas said. “Character-wise, in the long haul, Namor will become an active member in good standing of the Marvel Universe, and will be involved adventures with other characters, but for now, we’re getting things started, and trying to tell a different kind of story with Namor, one that we think will appeal to a lot of different people.”


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02-03-2003, 12:17 PM #2
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This sounds like it's worth a lot more than 25 cents.


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02-03-2003, 12:26 PM #3
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i don't consider bill's involvement in ultimate spderman or origin to have been any sort of catalyst for their success, and i don't think it's right for him to take so much creedit for them... his role sounds like co-plotter or plotter, not co-writer...
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02-03-2003, 12:47 PM #4
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Looking forward to seeing Sakakibara's art. Always encouraging when someone makes the jump from amateur (dojinshi) to pro!

- Elayne


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02-03-2003, 12:52 PM #5
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i don't consider bill's involvement in ultimate spderman or origin to have been any sort of catalyst for their success, and i don't think it's right for him to take so much creedit for them... his role sounds like co-plotter or plotter, not co-writer...
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Did I miss the part where he took a lot of credit for it? Seems to me that he described his role basically the same way you did.

Or does "I call him once a month to say thank you – he is turning in some of the best work in comics" mean that he is taking credit for the success?

I love this. People hate Jemas so much that they aren't willing to give him any credit whatsoever for the stuff he is involved in.


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02-03-2003, 12:54 PM #6
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I also like the idea that this will be set in the 1930's.


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02-03-2003, 01:22 PM #7
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Who cares what ____ Jemas talks in interviews or whatnot; I mean, it's the 'any publicity is good publicity' dealio and I commend him for dragging the spotlight onto Marvel, by any means necessary. However, the company's recent success seems to have gone to his head a tad; he should keep in mind that it's the high calibre talent that's responsible for this accomplishment, and, with this in mind, refrain from involving himself in any way with that talent's creative process.


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02-03-2003, 01:43 PM #8
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I haven't pulled it out for a while, but didn't Roy Thomas do a little bit with Namor's younger years in the 12 issue "Saga of the Sub-Mariner" series back in the late 80s-early 90s?

I'm not a continuity nut -- in fact, Roy's later years compulsion to put continuity over a clear story drove me nuts-- but if this IS the same character and there has been some material done about his younger years, it would be nice to see it at least acknowledged.


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02-03-2003, 01:59 PM #9
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Is anybody else bothered by that artwork at the top? Is teen Namor porn what this industry really needs?


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02-03-2003, 02:01 PM #10
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Andi Watson doing his rendition of the freakin' phone book would be worth way more than a quarter. I'm definitely checking this one out.


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02-03-2003, 02:14 PM #11
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Only by the fact that I could draw better than that in the tenth grade...but I think the art for the first issue's cover looks okay. (I'm pretty sure that's issue #2 at the top.)


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Well, Quesada did say he wanted to "throw everything at the wall to see what sticks." (Insert your own joke here.)


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02-03-2003, 02:24 PM #12
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Judging by "Marville", I believe Jemas contribution was this:

"I see nekkid women under the sea! Go with it!"

Hence we see the cover for issue 2...


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02-03-2003, 02:27 PM #13
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i don't consider bill's involvement in ultimate spderman or origin to have been any sort of catalyst for their success, and i don't think it's right for him to take so much creedit for them... his role sounds like co-plotter or plotter, not co-writer...
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And don't forget: he co-plotted a new version of Spider-Man's origin. Bendis was the first to do something truly original in USM, as the plot of the first arc couldn't really change that much from the original version.


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02-03-2003, 02:28 PM #14
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Andy Watson + a 25 cent first issue is enough for me to check this out.

These 10/9/13/25 cent issues are an interesting experiment. They will get the reader to sample the book, but the rest is up to the creators to see how many they can keep.

I've picked up all the recent cheap issues and would have to say that Batman, Superman, Gen 13 and Fantastic Four didn't really grab me at all. I was already reading Daredevil via the trades, so the 25 cent issue wasn't really geared towards hooking me.

I'm hoping this will be successful for Watson in that it could potentially lead readers to his indy work like Geisha and Breakfast Afternoon. Bendis' success has given Jinx, Goldfish. Powers and Torso a boost. Hopefully there will be new readers discovering stuff like Slow News Day.

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02-03-2003, 02:34 PM #15
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So will Namor hangout with a fish call Flounder? And will a crab named Sebastian do musical numbers as well? Will Namor have to do battle with Ursula the Sea Witch?

Wow...I hope all these questions get answered soon.


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02-03-2003, 02:49 PM #16
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”Since I came on board after the concepts and characters were figured out, there’s none of that to do,” Watson said. “So far I've been working from beat sheets which set down the scenes and dialogue. I go in, break down the pages, think about pacing, storytelling, characterization, dialogue etc.”[/QB]
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That, my friends, is plausible deniability at it's finest!
Plus it points out that everything that the comic book artform is supposed to be about (pacing, storytelling, characterization) are all the things that Mr. J knows nothing about.

Recycled plots, an artist who apparently isn't good enough to break in the Manga biz, a contemporary teen love story set in the '30s, and a rookie brought up from the minors thrown in to make it read like a big time comic book. Yup, this sounds real promising. How much do you want to bet the whole Mr. J 'plot' contribution is to rip off Romeo and Juliet??? Well, knowing Mr. J, he's probably thinking West Side Story...

The more they tell us, the less I want to order. Now, you know why they quit giving info in Previews...


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02-03-2003, 03:00 PM #17
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ah...comic fans and their opinions are quite amazing. always good for a laugh.


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02-03-2003, 03:28 PM #18
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There already have been some "Young Namor" stories done by Bill Everett for Atlas in the mid-'50's.


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02-03-2003, 03:37 PM #19
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Good thing you're here to keep those moronic comic fans in line, eh?


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02-03-2003, 04:11 PM #20
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My prediction: Namor will be floating on the top of the fish tank DOA by issue 17. Enjoy the soft core porn covers while you can, True Believers... its the series only selling point.

The only true King of Atlantis is, and will remain, Aquaman.

Aquaman will remain a second rate Prince Namor.Ace.
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02-03-2003, 04:28 PM #21
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Yeah, but Aquaman only became intersting when he became Namor.


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02-03-2003, 04:30 PM #22
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”Since I came on board after the concepts and characters were figured out, there’s none of that to do,” Watson said. “So far I've been working from beat sheets which set down the scenes and dialogue. I go in, break down the pages, think about pacing, storytelling, characterization, dialogue etc.”
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That, my friends, is plausible deniability at it's finest!
Plus it points out that everything that the comic book artform is supposed to be about (pacing, storytelling, characterization) are all the things that Mr. J knows nothing about.

Recycled plots, an artist who apparently isn't good enough to break in the Manga biz, a contemporary teen love story set in the '30s, and a rookie brought up from the minors thrown in to make it read like a big time comic book. Yup, this sounds real promising. How much do you want to bet the whole Mr. J 'plot' contribution is to rip off Romeo and Juliet??? Well, knowing Mr. J, he's probably thinking West Side Story...

The more they tell us, the less I want to order. Now, you know why they quit giving info in Previews...[/QB]
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Andi Watson is hardly a rookie. This may be his first venture into comics that make it on to your radar, but as anyone who reads past the Marvel section in Previews could tell you, Watson is a well established and critically acclaimed writer. Indie and small press comics are not the minors. If you want to make them into a sports metaphor, they're whole different sports.


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02-03-2003, 04:36 PM #23
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Did I miss the part where he took a lot of credit for it? Seems to me that he described his role basically the same way you did.

Or does "I call him once a month to say thank you – he is turning in some of the best work in comics" mean that he is taking credit for the success?

I love this. People hate Jemas so much that they aren't willing to give him any credit whatsoever for the stuff he is involved in.
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nah, i don't really hate bill so much, he IS half-greek after all

as for the actual BASIS of my claims (yes, i DO base waht i say to actual proof and don't jump on people for kicks)

""Given the experimental nature of the title, Marvel went back to the experimental, but successful approach it too with Ultimate Spider-Man - take a creator with a very solid reputation in independent and small press comics, and team him with Jemas on an established character. ""

is it me or does this not pertain to what i wrote in my post? i meant to refer to ult. spidey's opening arc, since that's the arc where he is credited as co-writing...


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02-03-2003, 05:15 PM #24
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as for the actual BASIS of my claims (yes, i DO base waht i say to actual proof and don't jump on people for kicks)

""Given the experimental nature of the title, Marvel went back to the experimental, but successful approach it too with Ultimate Spider-Man - take a creator with a very solid reputation in independent and small press comics, and team him with Jemas on an established character. ""

is it me or does this not pertain to what i wrote in my post? i meant to refer to ult. spidey's opening arc, since that's the arc where he is credited as co-writing...
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I dunno, your basis is pretty thin. It's not like he's taking credit for the success of Spider-Man. And don't forget, what you took as Jemas taking credit for USM was taken from Matt Brady's writing, not from Jemas' mouth.

And my response was more rooted in the fact that nobody seems to want to give Jemas credit for anything. People read "Bill Jemas" and all they think about is Marville. Do people condemn Brian Bendis because of the awful Elektra story he did, or Greg Rucka because of that CGI Spider-Man mini he wrote?

Like it or not, Jemas DOES deserve at least SOME credit for USM (and the Ultimate Universe), Origin and, if it is successful, Namor.


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02-03-2003, 05:22 PM #25
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I could pick apart and reply to the ignorant negativity posted above, but really, why bother? I would only be justifying and encouraging more of the same.

That said, after reading this feature, I'm really looking forward to the new NAMOR series. I think taking a similiar approach to what was done with ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is a smart move. The themes they will be tackling sound quite positive and intriguing, as it relates to a Namor revamp. I think the art looks very appealling and easy on the eyes. It's so cool that two of Marvel's oldest and very first super-hero characters, Sub-Mariner and Human Torch, are being brought to the forefront of Tsunami, their latest concept for carrying comics into the new millenium.


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Okay, I've been a comic reader for 15 years now and I've never read a single Namor book. John Byrne did a run in the 80s right? Are any of those books worth checking out?


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02-03-2003, 07:05 PM #27
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I can't believe all you fanboys didnt notice the redesign of the wings on his feet!
THATS the real story!
Seriously though, it's Namor does anyone really care?
The success of USM is great and everything, but it's still a book about Spiderman who everyone likes.
Good luck with a poor man's Aquaman.


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02-03-2003, 07:34 PM #28
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Sales and major publisher-wise, minor league, that's all. Calm your 'But indys count, too!" fervor. I know who he is, heck, I knew he was a 'he' well before this! Good writer who has never done a major company project, hence rookie. Simple, enough?


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Hey,Ace-all the good writers aren't writting Superhero comics-most certainly aren't writting either Prince Namor-the Submariner nor Aquaman.You generally get the comic fan boy hacks John Byrne or Peter David,or retards-clueless retards like Bill Jamas and who he hires.
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02-03-2003, 07:55 PM #29
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Umm...so what do you call someone who is writing their first indy book?


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02-03-2003, 08:15 PM #30
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Ummm...a nobody?

The statement was meant in the context of the story, didn't really think it was necessary to diagram the sentence or give Mr. Watson's life story. My bad. Let's try again...

an experienced indy writer who is a rookie in the major publisher ranks brought in to make it read like a big time comic even though he has no experience in the field as of yet...

How's that?


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02-03-2003, 08:23 PM #31
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i don't know but put me in the column that says jemas thinks a little too highly of himself and his involvement with the launch of ultimate spiderman. character development! all he did was,and i am not sure he did this ,was to bring lee and ditko's creation into the modern era. all the soap opera trapings that lee wrote into the title forty years ago are still there. what he did,and there again i am not sure of his contribution,was to say lets bring spiderman back to his roots and then slowly re introduce the key elements in his story.not unlike what Byrne did with superman. if jemas is the creative force in as much as his saying lets do this and then getting the talent that is able to put his ideas into print great..but his own ability AS A WRITER IS LIMITED.yes look at marvelle it is a disaster but don't compare it with failures of other writers that have a track record. when jemas can get a writing asignment on the quality of his work and not because of his position at marvel perhaps he will be taken a little more seriously as a writer.


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02-03-2003, 08:50 PM #32
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i hate jemas. i cant put it in any kinder words. but i love Namor i am really excited about this book. i think it is moronic that england wont receive any copies of numer one. but here is one thing i am wondering: since when does namor have gills on his sholders??? i have all of byrne's namor run (which was good while byrne was on the book for you who asked) and a good part of the old sub marinier run and he never had gills to my knowledge. please someone explain!!! thanks. Xero


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Who didn't hate this clueless fuck running Marvel into the ground after the big bankrupsy.The ass had a nerve to put writting tips on the net.Hey,jerkoff-what you know about writting beyond bathroom walls.
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since when does namor have gills on his sholders??? i have all of byrne's namor run (which was good while byrne was on the book for you who asked) and a good part of the old sub marinier run and he never had gills to my knowledge.
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Re-read Byrne's run. In that series, Namor had gills just behind his ears. This was made clear more than once.


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02-03-2003, 09:11 PM #34
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John Byrnes yuppy Namor had one good issue-the first one everything else was total shit.
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QCC bob said:


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The statement was meant in the context of the story, didn't really think it was necessary to diagram the sentence or give Mr. Watson's life story. My bad. Let's try again...

an experienced indy writer who is a rookie in the major publisher ranks brought in to make it read like a big time comic even though he has no experience in the field as of yet...

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Bzzt! I would go as far as to say he has experience in the field... Just not the mainstream comic book industry. I don't quite know how the two industries are different in this case though.


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Byrne's run on Namor is wonderful for the first two years, but then Byrne's attention was obviously with getting The Next Men going and the book waned, then faltered, then died. It is absolutely worth picking up if you can get them...and I doubt there is any substantial cost.

I love Namor's character. I like that he's a dick. I loved his appearance in the Avengers recently. It's great when a writer doesn't try to take his character and try to make him "loveable". Too many people want to change his personality. Why? It's a rare personality for a comic book hero. He's arrogant. So what, he's a king! I never bought into the whole, "I'm a king, been raised to rule people, but all I want to do is hug them."

Aquaman wasn't really raised to be a king, he never wanted to be a king, still fights against it here and there.

I know that I've read Namor as a teen before...can't remember if it was old Atlas comics, a sub-mariner limited comic, or what, but I know I've seen him as a teen. The whole Namor In Love thing is fine, but don't make it sappy so that only love-sick romance people will like it. Namor and Martina (sp?) went through a bunch in Alpha Flight...and the Avengers. Love and Namor is not a good match.

On the Jemas as a writer thing...he's not a writer. He said so himself. Marville proved him correct. As for plotting (or helping to do so) Ult. Spider-Man, I agree with the post above...the title rehashed an already popular character and fantastic origin. Bendis did the actual writing, but there had to be some sort plotting as far as how the character would be brought to life...what changes to make from Marvel Universe to Ultimate Universe..."do we give him...blah blah blah". Did Bendis really need this help or did Jemas WANT to be involved with it?

Origin...Jenkins said he had an idea about how to bring Wolverine to life as an origin. He said that Jemas and Quesada had some elements that were necesarry to include. I guess adding the fact that there was a girl (I'm guessing here) gives Jemas the ability to include himself as writer, plotter, etc.


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i hate jemas. i cant put it in any kinder words. but i love Namor i am really excited about this book. i think it is moronic that england wont receive any copies of numer one. but here is one thing i am wondering: since when does namor have gills on his sholders??? i have all of byrne's namor run (which was good while byrne was on the book for you who asked) and a good part of the old sub marinier run and he never had gills to my knowledge. please someone explain!!! thanks. Xero
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I have never liked Jemas as a president of Marvel. That's not to say that he hasn't had some excellent ideas in the comic industry. I realize that the business man that he is brought Marvel back from financial ruin to a company that looks like it can turn a profit...who cares what their situation is, I'm making a point...but he's not a comic creator. Would Paul Levitz give him a job as a writer...hell, would Joe Quesada add him to his Marvel Knights books (I mean if he wasn't the company president, but a man off the street with a portfolio and some plot outlines). What kind of reputation as a writer does he bring to the table to tell Bendis how to write Spider-Man, or Paul Jenkins to write anything, or ...you see how it goes.

That said, I hope Watson does a phenominal job, because just like Ultimate Spider-Man and Origin...I'm gonna buy Namor, dammit, because I love the character.


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02-03-2003, 10:52 PM #38
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Whats with the nude,white trash,near kiddie porn naked baby Prince Namor?
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nah, Aquaman's been quite interesting in many incarnations and he saw his best art in the 60's and 70's (Jim Aparo rocks!).... it's only that the more recent "hostile" version appeals to the limited tastes of todays' dwindled fan-base....
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I could pick apart and reply to the ignorant negativity posted above, but really, why bother? I would only be justifying and encouraging more of the same.

That said, after reading this feature, I'm really looking forward to the new NAMOR series. I think taking a similiar approach to what was done with ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is a smart move. The themes they will be tackling sound quite positive and intriguing, as it relates to a Namor revamp. I think the art looks very appealling and easy on the eyes. It's so cool that two of Marvel's oldest and very first super-hero characters, Sub-Mariner and Human Torch, are being brought to the forefront of Tsunami, their latest concept for carrying comics into the new millenium.
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I was really looking forward to this title as I like the character of Namor a lot. Because of his personality, he's a very versatile character.

When I found out Bill Jemas was involved, the whole project was tainted in my eyes. I read his work in Marville and it was really boring stuff.

After reading this article, I have re-newed interest in the book. Bill Jemas may be a bad writer, but his take on characters are interesting. Some of his ideas are pretty interesting, as well. I remember checking out that awful issue of Marville where all the writing was covering up really nice artwork. There was a lot of interesting bits in there, but the writing, plus the lettering were underwhelming.

If he's only offering direction for this book, I'd be eager to read it. As long as he's not in charge of writing something, I'm happy.


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Not looking forward to it, but 25 cents is alright by me. Hell, I'd buy Marville for a quarter. Well, that might be pushing it . . .


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Cheaper than toilet paper...


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02-04-2003, 02:40 AM #43
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Ok everybody, let's go:

Under the sea
Under the sea

Down here all the fish is happy
As off through the waves they roll
The fish on the land ain't happy
They sad 'cause they in their bowl
But fish in the bowl is lucky
They in for a worser fate
One day when the boss get hungry
Guess who's gon' be on the plate

Under the sea
Under the sea


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02-04-2003, 03:07 AM #44
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Rather than the adult, “Imperius Rex!” shouting, Sue Richards-pining, foul-tempered…prick that he’s been shown as for years, the Jemas/Watson Namor series will be set in the 1930s, back when Namor was just a guppy.
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I'm probably not gonna get this, if only because I like the foul-tempered prick Namor. His lusting after Sue sur got tiresome tho.


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02-04-2003, 04:40 AM #45
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Huh? Where did you read that? Arrrghhhh!!!


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02-04-2003, 06:36 AM #46
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Andi's pst work is very good. Sadly, due to the demographic this series is aimed at (hence the poor art)it looks as though I will have to pass this up (much like Kesel & the Torch).
I hope it does well becasue any boom to the industry is welcome. Let us just pray that this "style" of art Tsunami is trying to establish for Marvel doesn't "infect" the rest of the books.
Marville for o quarter?....Nah, still not worth it.


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02-04-2003, 07:15 AM #47
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Namor looks kinda gay in this. Maybe that's the hook of the series.

Then again, gay Namor could kick Aquaman's ass to Kingdom Come.


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02-04-2003, 08:12 AM #48
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Maybe,but stop reading rubbish like Wizard.All they care for is what gay super fights they can get the morons exited about.
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...Actually, I predict it will be the first comic since the 70's that will wind up in the quarter boxes already priced correctly.


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02-04-2003, 08:23 AM #49
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Shhhh--- Jemas doesn't know about those.


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Okay, I've been a comic reader for 15 years now and I've never read a single Namor book. John Byrne did a run in the 80s right? Are any of those books worth checking out?
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It was in 1991. As usual, he had to mess around with the characters (despite his several recent columns to the contrary). He tried to explain away Namor's short temper as having a cause in his blood. He changed Namorita's background. He de-aged Spitfire from the Invaders. He added incestuous villains.
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Well...this is not the Golden Age Human Torch were talking about. I'm sure most kiddies don't even know who Jim Hammond is.


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It was in 1991. As usual, he had to mess around with the characters (despite his several recent columns to the contrary). He tried to explain away Namor's short temper as having a cause in his blood. He changed Namorita's background. He de-aged Spitfire from the Invaders. He added incestuous villains.
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Plus he brought back Iron Fist...which was a wise decision.


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02-04-2003, 12:33 PM #53
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If this turns out to be the same teenage Namor who, in his first appearance, casually murdered two deep-sea divers, I'll probably enjoy this series.

Unfortunately, I get the impression that Jemas' only idea to make Namor a "viable" property is to turn him into Peter Parker. A shame, that.

I'll still check it out because it's the Avenging Son, but I'm not terribly enthusiastic about its chances. Hope to be proved wrong!

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Obviously, no, this isn't the original Torch, but when you stop and think about it this isn't the "original" Namor, in the way that today's Thor isn't the same as the Lee/Kirby Thor, for example. But, it's still about taking an old concept and repackaging it for modern audiences. I can really appreciate that


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02-04-2003, 05:09 PM #56
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I think the offical title of the series should be Namor 90H2O.
This is one of those series that could go either way for me, so I will have to look at a few issues first.
The Byrne Namor series was very good for about the first 2 years, then fell off. The best parts of his run would have to be the return of Iron Fist, and the Invaders reunion story. Something about seeing Cap, Namor, and the original Human Torch together again fitting nazis just made me feel good.


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02-05-2003, 06:57 PM #57
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Huh? Where did you read that? Arrrghhhh!!!

I actually got that from another site but i dont know how to make a link. go to www.comicbookresources.com and find the "Lying in the gutters" column. it makes no sense at all to me. Xero


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im not so sure anymore about the UK not getting Namor. it seems they are. my bad. sorry. Xero


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02-06-2003, 09:41 AM #59
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I was excited about this when I first saw the images, but now after I read what this is about? I wouldn't waste my quarter on this. Ok, maybe I will, but no more!

I just don't get it. Why do they feel the need to make it back in the 30s? Come on! This is gonna flop! Who is he gonna fight? Reed richard's dad? Doom's grandpa? A giant whale? Yea, that's it. It will explode with controversy after he falls in love with a jellyfish. Why not just make an Ultimate Namor? I would buy that!

Wait I know, after it fails within 6 months, much like Jemas's Marville, they will cancel or give it to someone else that will bring him to the future to kill himself...they tried that, I forgot.

Why does this guy (Billy) think he can write? 'Cause he is the president of Marvel? He is the president because he knows business. That's it. I don't ask the president of my company to come out and work on computers, and there is a damned good reason.

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I know that this series is "aimed" at a different group, but what if it doesn't draw in any new readers, then it has to appeal to traditional comic readers. If there is no action...no fight sequences...what we're left with reading a love story. Hmmm...that won't last long.


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NAMOR AND THE INVADERS ARE LONG OVERDUE FOR A REVIVAL IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE. I LIKE WATSON'S WORK ON GEISHA, SO I'LL BITE THE HOOK. NOT CRAZY ABOUT MANGA OR JEMAS (HIS MARVILLE SERIES WAS SHITE), BUT AM GLAD MUCH OF MARVEL'S RICHEST HISTORY AND CHARACTERS ARE BEING REVIVED. NAMOR'S CAMEOS WERE EXCELLENT IN "INHUMANS" AND "FF 1-2-3-4." (I'D RATHER HAVE JAE LAE BACK FOR MOR SUPERB NAMOR ARTWORK.) NAMOR'S LAST REGULAR STINT, ALONG WITH JIM HAMMOND'S WAS IN THE OSTRANDER'S QUIRKY "HEROES FOR HIRE" SERIES. ALSO, NAMOR WAS WRITTEN VERY WELL BY PRIEST IN THE BLACK PANTHER SERIES. FOR NOW, I'LL GIVE IMPERIUS REX A LONG OVERDUE WELCOME BACK.


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I'm torn. On the one hand, the concept and the presence of Watson are big plusses, but what I'm seeing of the art isn't knocking me out. I'll have to check it out on the stands, I guess.


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I'm glad Namor, Marvel's most underated character, is coming back. However, it's too bad their going for the cliched 'Namor falls in love with a human' route.

Oh, and for the record, Namor predates Aquaman. Not only that, he is a powerhouse, and has kicked the HUlk's ass several times.

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The morons at Marvel,especially these new overated fans boys and suites,who think they can be creative just know how handle this character.Prince Namor could be as cool as say Conan,James Bond or Wolverine,but the aceholes keep drudging up the same Aquaman My Little Pony Little Maremaid/old Marvel Soap Opera writting.Forget all the mistake and keep whats good-rewrite a new Namor around the Old One-forget ps,and all Hollywood expected action hero shit-then you might have good Namor story.
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: LOTS OF RUMOR SPECULATION AS WHO PLAY PRINCE NAMOR. Everyone from Nicholas Cage to Christian Bale. Me until the project as actually made, you might as well cast Steve Busemi or James Gandolfini in the part-as a matter of wish fantasy or what if thinking. Wizard picks are often wrong just the net and other places
On the net. Me. I'd say Keanu Reeves, as Prince Namor, but that’s just me. I'm not producing the thing and nor is neither Wizard or any of you, so our opinions really don't count for much in the end.
JGT.
More below. More on my site.
: Namor’s Concept Art Underway!
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January 26, 2004 —

From the Comics Continuum:

Conceptual artwork for the Namor live-action movie has begun, Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige told The Continuum. Namor is set up at Universal Pictures, with David Self (Road to Perdition) writing the script.

"Namor, that's a big one," Feige told The Continuum during its recent visit to the Marvel Studios offices. "We just got a new draft of the script in. The script is so spectacular and there are so many great things in it, we just wanted to have a conceptual artist come in and start doing some early renders.

"Then when we get a director on board, he'll come in and steer the project.” Because of its scope -- Namor has been described as "Star Wars underwater" -- it appears the earliest the movie would be in theaters would be 2006.

Hit the link below for more!

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NAMOR MOVIE UPDATE
Conceptual artwork for the Namor live-action movie has begun, Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige told The Continuum.

Namor is set up at Universal Pictures, with David Self (Road to Perdition) writing the script.

"Namor, that's a big one," Feige told The Continuum during its recent visit to the Marvel Studios offices. "We just got a new draft of the script in. The script is so spectacular and there are so many great things in it, we just wanted to have a conceptual artist come in and start doing some early renders.

"Then when we get a director on board, he'll come in and steer the project."

Because of its scope -- Namor has been described as "Star Wars underwater" -- it appears the earliest the movie would be in theaters would be 2006.

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: NAMOR, CONAN, AND SO ON.
: LOTS OF RUMOR SPECULATION AS WHO PLAY PRINCE NAMOR. Everyone from Nicholas Cage to Christian Bale. Me until the project as actually made, you might as well cast Steve Busemi or James Gandolfini in the part-as a matter of wish fantasy or what if thinking. Wizard picks are often wrong just the net and other places
On the net. Me. I'd say Keanu Reeves, as Prince Namor, but that’s just me. I'm not producing the thing and neither is Wizard or any of you, so our opinions really don't count for much in the end.
JGT.
More below. More on my site.
: Namor’s Concept Art Underway!
SUBMITTED BY Typhon24
January 26, 2004 —
From the Comics Continuum:

Conceptual artwork for the Namor live-action movie has begun, Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige told The Continuum. Namor is set up at Universal Pictures, with David Self (Road to Perdition) writing the script.

"Namor, that's a big one," Feige told The Continuum during its recent visit to the Marvel Studios offices. "We just got a new draft of the script in. The script is so spectacular and there are so many great things in it, we just wanted to have a conceptual artist come in and start doing some early renders.
"Then when we get a director on board, he'll come in and steer the project.” Because of its scope -- Namor has been described as "Star Wars underwater" -- it appears the earliest the movie would be in theaters would be 2006. Hit the link below for more! Source: Comics Continuum
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NAMOR MOVIE UPDATE
Conceptual artwork for the Namor live-action movie has begun, Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige told The Continuum.
Namor is set up at Universal Pictures, with David Self (Road to Perdition) writing the script.
"Namor, that's a big one," Feige told The Continuum during its recent visit to the Marvel Studios offices. "We just got a new draft of the script in. The script is so spectacular and there are so many great things in it, we just wanted to have a conceptual artist come in and start doing some early renders. "Then when we get a director on board, he'll come in and steer the project.” Because of its scope -- Namor has been described as "Star Wars underwater" -- it appears the earliest the movie would be in theaters would be 2006. Look for more from The Continuum's visit to Marvel Studios on Tuesday Link: Prince Eric Khorum Rhann ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sincerely yours-Upward Onward Maveric.
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Bill Everett
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William Blake "Bill" Everett, also known as William Blake and Everett Blake (born May 18, 1917, Cambridge, Massachusetts; died February 27, 1973) was a comic book writer-artist best known for creating Namor the Sub-Mariner and co-creating Daredevil for Marvel Comics. He is a descendant of the poet William Blake.[1][2]
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• 1 Biography
o 1.1 Early life and career
o 1.2 Sub-Mariner
o 1.3 Atlas Comics
o 1.4 Marvel Comics
• 2 Footnotes
• 3 References

[edit] Biography
[edit] Early life and career
Bill Everett spent his early life in Arizona, graduating high school there before returning to his native Massachusetts to study at Boston's Vesper George School of Art from 1934-35.[3] Influenced by commercial magazines artists such as Meade Schaeffer, Dean Cornwell, and especially Floyd Davis,[3] soon dropped out to become a professional artist on the advertising staff of the Boston newspaper The Herald-Traveler for $12 a week.[3] Soon afterward, he left to become a draftsmen for the civil engineering firm The Brooks System, in Newton, Massachusetts.[3] From there he pursued work in Phoenix, Arizona and Los Angeles, California without success. He returned East, to New York City, where he again did newspaper advertising art, for the New York Herald-Tribune.[3] He next became art editor for Teck Publications' Radio News magazine, then assistant art director under Herm Bollin in Chicago, Illinois.[3] Fired for being, as Everett described, "too cocky", he returned to New York where sought employment as an art director. With no luck at this, and desperate for work, he ran into an old Teck colleague, Walter Holze, who was now working in the new field of comic books. As Everett recalled in the late 1960s, "He asked me if I could do comics. I said, 'Sure!!' At that point I was starving. I wasn't interested in the comics business; I was talked into it".[3]
Freelancing for Centaur Publications, Everett "sold my first page for $2 — writing, penciling, inking and all. 'Skyrocket Steele' was my first strip".[3] Soon he was getting $10 and then $14 a page, a respectable sum during this late-1930s period near the beginning of what historians and fans call the Golden Age of comic books. Everett co-created the superhero Amazing-Man at Centaur, working with company art director Lloyd Jacquet, and drew the first five issues.[3]
Everett and other creators followed Jacquet to his new company Funnies, Inc., one of the first comic-book "packagers" that would create comics on demand for publishers. Everett recalled, "I left Centaur with Lloyd Jacquet and another chap whose name as Max; I cannot remember his last name. Lloyd... had an idea that he wanted to start his own art service — to start a small organization to supply artwork and editorial material to publishers. ... He asked me to join him. He also asked Carl Burgos. So we were the nucleus...."[4] He added, "I don't know how to explain it, but I was still on a freelance basis. That was the agreement we had. The artists, including myself, at Funnies, worked on a freelance basis".[4]
[edit] Sub-Mariner
At Funnies, Inc., Everett created the Sub-Mariner for an aborted project, Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1, a planned promotional comic to be given away in movie theaters. When plans changed, Everett used his character instead for Funnies, Inc.'s first client, pulp magazine publisher Martin Goodman. The original eight-page story was expanded by four pages for Marvel Comics #1 (Oct. 1939), the first publication of what Goodman would eventually call Timely Comics, the 1940s precursor of Marvel Comics. Everett's anti-hero proved a sudden success, quickly becoming one of Timely's top three characters, along with Carl Burgos' android superhero the Human Torch and Jack Kirby & Joe Simon's Captain America. Everett soon introduced such supporting characters as New York City policewoman Betty Dean, a steady companion and occasional love-interest, and Namor's cousin Namora.
Everett drew his star character in Sub-Mariner Comics, published first quarterly, then thrice-yearly and finally bimonthly, for issues #1-32 (Fall 1941 - June 1949).
Everett entered the U.S. Army for World War II military service in February 1942.[5] He attended Officer Candidate School at Fort Belvoir, during which time he met Gwenn Randall, who was work for the Ordnance Department at the Pentagon.[5] The couple married in 1944, when Everett returned from the European theater of operations, and their first child, a daughter, was born shortly before Everett was shipped out to the Philippines to fight in the Pacific theater; he returned home in February 1946.[5] With some money inherited from a great-uncle, Everett took some time off and traveled before settling in Fairbury, Nebraska, his wife's hometown. "This was when I renewed by association with Martin Goodman, working by mail on a freelance basis, picking up the Sub-Mariner where I'd left off four years ago".[6] His first recorded post-war credit is writing and full art for the 12-page story "Sub-Mariner vs. Green-Out" in Sub-Mariner Comics #21 (Fall 1946) — the third of three Sub-Mariner stories that issue, for which Syd Shores drew the cover. Everett was soon providing Sub-Mariner stories regularly for the solo title as well as for The Human Torch, Marvel Mystery Comics and even Blonde Phantom Comics.
Additionally, he drew the title feature in the three-issue spin-off series Namora (Aug.-Dec. 1948).
[edit] Atlas Comics
By now, Timely Comics had evolved into Marvel's 1950s iteration, Atlas Comics. Like most superhero characters in the postwar era, the Sub-Mariner had faded in popularity, and his solo title had been canceled in 1949. But after a nearly five-year hiatus, he briefly returned with Captain America and the Golden Age Human Torch in Young Men #24 (Dec. 1953), during Atlas' mid-1950s attempt at reviving superheroes. Everett drew the Sub-Mariner feature through Young Men #28 (June 1954) and in Sub-Mariner Comics #33-42 (April 1954 - Oct. 1955), which outlasted the other two characters' features. During this time, Namora had her own spin-off series.
Everett also drew the features "Venus" and "Marvel Boy", as well as a large number of stories for Atlas' anthological horror-fantasy series. One such tale, "Zombie!", written by editor-in-chief Stan Lee and published in Menace #5, introduced the character Simon Garth, the Zombie, who in the 1970s would be plucked from this one-shot story to star in Marvel's black-and-white, horror-comics magazine Tales of the Zombie.
[edit] Marvel Comics
With writer-editor Lee, Everett co-created the Marvel superhero Daredevil, who debuted in Daredevil #1 (April 1964). Comics historian and former Jack Kirby assistant Mark Evanier, investigating claims of Kirby's involvement in the creation of both Iron Man and Daredevil, interviewed Kirby and Everett and found that,
“ in both cases, Jack had already drawn the covers of those issues and done some amount of design work. He ... seems to have participated in the design of Daredevil's first costume. ... Everett did tell me that Jack had come up with the idea of Daredevil's billy club. ... Jack, in effect, drew the first page of that first Daredevil story. In the rush to get that seriously late book to press, there wasn't time to complete Page One, so Stan had [production manager] Sol Brodsky slap together a paste-up that employed Kirby's cover drawing. ... Everett volunteered to me that Jack had 'helped him' though he wouldn't — or more likely, couldn't — elaborate on that. He just plain didn't remember it well, and in later years apparently gave others who asked a wide range of answers.[7]

2000s Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada noted that when Everett turned in his first-issue pencils extremely late, Brodsky and Spider-Man artist Steve Ditko inked "a lot of backgrounds and secondary figures on the fly [and] cobbled the cover and the splash page together from Kirby's original concept drawing"[8] In an interview conducted by Marvel writer-editor and Everett's one-time roommate Roy Thomas, in what the latter recalled as either "late 1969 or in 1970", Everett said of Daredevil's creation five years earlier:
“ I must have called Stan, had some contact with him, I don't know why. I know we tried to do it on the phone. I know he had this idea for Daredevil; he thought he had an idea. ... With a long-distance phone call, it just wasn't coming out right, so I said, 'All right, I'll come down this weekend or something. I'll take a day off [from his job as art director of Eton Paper Corporation in Massachusetts] and come down to New York'. ... I did the one issue, but I found that I couldn't do it and handle my job, because it was a managerial job; I didn't get paid overtime but I was on an annual salary, so my time was not my own. I was putting in 14 or 15 hours a day at the plant and then to come home and try to do comics at night was just too much. And I didn't make deadlines — I just couldn't make them — so I just did the one issue and didn't do any more.[9]

Within two years, however, Everett began penciling for Marvel once again, first on the character the Hulk, in Tales to Astonish, initially over Kirby layouts, and on Doctor Strange in Strange Tales. Readers during this 1960s Silver Age of comic books also became acquainted with his Golden Age and 1950s stories in the comic books, which were reprinted first in the book The Great Comic Book Heroes, by Jules Feiffer (Dial Press, 1965), and then in the comic books Fantasy Masterpieces, Marvel Super-Heroes and Marvel Tales.
Everett even returned to his enduring character, writing, penciling and inking Sub-Mariner #50-55 & 57 (June 1972 - Nov. 1972; Jan. 1973), with script assists by Mike Friedrich on two issues; and #58 (Feb. 1973), co-written with Steve Gerber and co-penciled with Sam Kweskin. He also co-wrote and inked Sub-Mariner #59 (March 1973), plotted #60 (April 1973), and co-wrote, co-penciled (with fellow Golden Ager Win Mortimer) and co-inked #61 (May 1973). His final efforts on the character he created were five pages of pencils (inked by fellow Golden Ager Fred Kida) that appeared posthumously in Super-Villain Team-Up #1 (Aug. 1975).
[edit] Footnotes
1. ^ Interview with granddaughter Wendy Everett, Comic Book Artist #2 (Summer 1998)
2. ^ Whitson, Roger. "William Blake and Visual Culture", ImageTexT vol. 3, #2 (2006)], pub. Department of English, University of Florida
3. ^ a b c d e f g h i Steranko, Jim. The Steranko History of Comics - Volume One (Supergraphics, 1970), p. 59. The book's Everett interview closely coincides with a letter from Everett to Jerry DeFuccio, written May 19, 1961, originally published in The Comics, vol. 10, #1, and reprinted at the website Live ForEverett
4. ^ a b Bill Everett interview, originally published in Alter Ego #11, 1978; reprinted in Alter Ego vol. 3, #46 (March 2005); p. 8 of the latter.
5. ^ a b c Steranko, History of Comics, p. 60
6. ^ Steranko, History of Comics, p. 61
7. ^ Evanier, Mark. POV Online: "The Jack FAQ"
8. ^ Quesada, Joe. Newsarama: "Joe Fridays" (column) #4
9. ^ Everett interview, Alter Ego (2005), pp. 28-29
[edit] References
• Bill Everett at Grand Comics Database

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Daredevil


Creators Bill Everett • Stan Lee


Supporting characters Black Widow • The Chaste • Milla Donovan • Echo • Elektra Natchios • Franklin "Foggy" Nelson • Dakota North • Karen Page • Stick


Villains
Black Tarantula • Bullet • Bullseye • Bushwacker • Death-Stalker • Gladiator • Hand • Jester • Kingpin • Kirigi • Leap-Frog • Mister Fear • Mister Hyde • Nuke • The Owl • Purple Man • Starr Saxon • Stilt-Man • Typhoid Mary


Films The Trial of the Incredible Hulk (1989) • Daredevil (2003) • Elektra (2005)

Storylines
Daredevil: Born Again • Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target • Daredevil: End of Days • Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra


Miscellaneous Alternate versions of Daredevil • Daredevil: The Album • Elektra: The Album


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NAMOR vs. HUMAN TORCH by BILL EVERETT
#75 BILL EVERETT



From the 30's to the 70's, Bill Everett produced some of the best laid out, most inspired stories in comics. Along the way he created the Sub-Mariner and drew the first issue of Marvel's Daredevil. Working first in a simple, exaggerated style, he latterly developed a fuller look, evident in his work on the Hulk, and his return to Sub-Mariner in the 70's. His finishes were at least as important to the overall picture as his drawing, and his unusual, highly detailed inks were unmistakable. Unfortunately, drinking got the better of Bill, and he died at 56, with years of unrealized work within his hands.






SEE: Marvel Mystery Comics #9; Daredevil #1



Biography:
[Authors Note: This biography, a form of fan fiction, will appear in chapters as I get them completed. I intend to stay as true to the history (and retcon history) of the character as possible but a little creative license will I'm sure find it's way in. Chapter One, tentitively titled "A Cold Slap in the Face", is currently in development.]

Timeline:
1920 Namor's mother, Princess Fen of the Royal House of Atlantis, meets his father, Leonard McKenzie, the captain of an American scientific expedition to the south pole [2].

1922 Namor is born on February 2nd. [3].

1931 Namor learns he can survive indefinitely above water unlike the rest of his undersea Sub-Mariner kin. This strengthens his pride in himself and helps him feel closer to his father and his father's people, the Americans. [6].

1934 Namor learns just how exceptional his strength is when his mother, Princess Fen, is trapped by a fallen boom on an undersea shipwreck and it is up to Namor to save her. This incident, caused by Byrrah, stepson of the Atlantean emperor as part of an ongoing one-upsmanship with Namor, foreshadows much of the rivalry between the two. [7].

1936 The wings on Namor's ankles manifest for the first time saving him from a catastrophic fall from an ice cliff. [8].

1937 Namor's mother, Princess Fen, introduces him to his cousin Namora whom he hasn't seen since they were babies. At first he dismisses her as "just a girl" but is forced to eat his words in humility when she rescuses him from where he'd become trapped in the torpedo tube of a sunken submarine. [10]. Chronologically (in the real time of our universe) this is NOT the first appearance of Namora (which was in Marvel Mystery Comics 82) but this telling (by Bill Everett in Sub-Mariner Comics 39) occurs earlier in Namor's life. See the 1947 timeline entry for further details and the "Index Detail" below for more information.
1938 During an expedition to Admiral Byrd's abandoned settlement at Little America on the antarctic ice shelf Namor, Namora and Byrrah come face to face with fire for the first time when Namora knocks over a metal container of kerosene which ignites during the fall because of a metal on metal spark. Namor is forced to confront the flames in his attempt to rescue Namora, who is trapped inside a building by the fire, and learns that when his body is wet he is mostly impervious to fire damage. [11].

1939 Namor is attacked in flight by a Nazi aircraft while showing off in front of his friends. Knowing nothing of airplanes he vows that "No mere bird is going to sting me!" and after ripping the bombs (which he thinks are eggs) from the wings of the plane he tries to force it down by damaging the tail. He is a little too successful in his attempt and is trapped by the vortex downdraft and crashes into the sea. The impact and the concussion of the planes impact and explosion knocks Namor unconscious. He awakens in the arms of his mother to learn he is a hero for his actions.[12].

1939 Namor, as a teenager, learns the story of his parents meeting and is told by his mother that because of his remarkable abilities it is his duty to lead the Atlanteans into battle against the surface world. [3].

1939 Namor discovers (and inadvertently kills) two deep-sea divers searching a sunken ship for salvage. He brings their corpses to the Antarctic, and this is hailed as his first act as the Avenging Son against the surface people. [3].

1939 Namor meets his young cousin Dorma and allows her to accompany him in his first foray against the surface men, an attack on a coastal lighthouse.
1940 Namor meets police woman Betty Dean during a failed search and strike mission to New York City. [4]. A few months later he returns to avenge his failure but is stopped by The Human Torch in their first encounter. [5].

1941 Namor (The Sub-Mariner), The Human Torch and Steve Rogers (Captain America) team up along with Toro, (the Torch's sidekick) and Bucky Barnes (Captain America's sidekick) to form The Invaders. The adventures of The Invaders were not told until much later by Roy Thomas in the 1970's. The official reason for this is listed as... "Secrecy, plus the fact that most Invaders missions took place overseas..." i.e. "Only now can these stories be told." [3].

1947 Namor decides to visit one of the undersea Pacific kingdoms of his people but finds the castle has been attacked, the people killed and the treasure of pearls looted. As he moves among the dead he finds a lone survivor, a young woman named Aquaria Nautica Neptunia, who (once she recovers) asks to aid Namor in avenging the death of their people and her father their king. After proving to Namor that she is as swift a swimmer as he is, he agrees and Aquaria says that since they are going to be partners he might as well call her Namora. [9]. Chronologically (in the real time of our universe) this is the first appearance of Namora (in Marvel Mystery Comics 82) and it is told as if it were the first meeting between the two characters. However, this is in direct contradiction to a later telling of their first meeting (by Bill Everett in Sub-Mariner Comics 39) in which Namora is introduced to Namor at a much earlier age by his mother, Princess Fen, as his cousin that he hasn't seen since they were babies. [10].


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Namor the Sub-Mariner

Status: In development

Background: Created in 1939 by Bill Everett, Namor the Sub-Mariner made his first public appearance in Marvel Comics #1, the first comic from Timely Comics. Timely would metamorphose into Marvel Comics eventually, but during Namor's early days he was a top tier character for the company along with Captain America and the first Human Torch. His appearances would become sporadic in the 1950s, but he was revived by Stan Lee (quite literally) at the dawn of the Silver Age of comics in Fantastic Four #4 in 1962. He has been a regular character in Marvel continuity ever since.

The Character: Namor is the offspring of a human and an Atlantean princess, and as such he is endowed with great power including flight, super-strength, invulnerability, and of course all the abilities of a dude who can live underwater too. He is sometimes portrayed as a bad guy, or as an anti-hero -- though usually his motivation for his actions is the protection of his homeland of Atlantis -- but he has also served honorably on teams like the Avengers and the Invaders.

The Movie: A Namor movie has been talked about for several years now, with Terminator 3's Jonathan Mostow currently at work on the project. Marvel Studios' president of production Kevin Feige told IGN just last month that Mostow is "doing a rewrite on it, with the intention to direct, and that script should be coming in a few weeks." Previously, Harry Potter helmer Chris Columbus had been in talks to direct a film version at Universal based on a script by David Self (Road to Perdition). Whether or not Mostow gets the project going where Columbus couldn't, the real question seems to be how audiences will react to an underwater superhero movie in this post-Entourage world of ours where Aquaman (DC's Namor, essentially) is something of a joke. Perhaps best to base the hero back in World War II with Cap and the Human Torch, where he flourished way back when?

Big Screen Prospects: Golden, Tarnished, or Rusted? Tarnished





Captain America

Status: In development

Background: Created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, Captain American first appeared, appropriately enough, in Captain America Comics #1 in March 1941. His first appearance predated America's involvement in World War II, and yet the character obviously appealed to the patriotic side of its readers -- check out Cap smacking around Hitler on the cover of the first issue -- and he soon became one of the most popular heroes of his day. Like Namor, he faded from the pages of the funny books in the '50s only to be revived by Marvel in 1964 in The Avengers.

The Character: Steve Rogers was a puny young man who wanted to enlist in the Army and fight the Nazis in the 1940s. Because of his poor physical condition, however, he was rejected. But a top secret government program was in need of test subjects, and Rogers volunteered. He was given the "Super-Soldier" serum, which turned him into the perfect human being -- a man in peak physical form. Donning the colors of the U.S. flag and his trusty shield, Cap took on Hitler and more. Because, you know, all those who oppose his shield must yield.

The Movie: With the recent surge in popularity of the character in the public consciousness -- the result of his "death" in the pages of Marvel Comics -- the time seems ripe to get a Cap movie off the ground. Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige would seem to agree. "I have a writer on Captain America right now," Feige recently told IGN. "I'm hoping to get a director on that very soon, to get that into the pipeline in the next year or so." Feige also revealed that none other than David Self is that writer -- Self apparently likes his WWII-era superheroes. Feige also confirmed that the film will at least partially take place in the golden age of Steve Roger's past: "Right now what we're developing would be about half and half, I'd say."

Big Screen Prospects: Golden, Tarnished, or Rusted? Golden





The Human Torch

Status: No plans

Background: Not to be confused with the Fantastic Four's modern Human Torch, this original Human Torch was created by Carl Burgos and first appeared in Marvel Comics #1 in 1939 (along with Namor the Sub-Mariner) for Timely Comics. Together with Namor and Captain America, the Human Torch completed the trinity of Timely's most significant wartime and post-war superheroes. But like his counterparts, the Torch grew less and less popular as superhero comics went out of fashion in the 1950s and he was essentially dropped, though he would eventually resurface in modern Marvel Comics continuity.

The Character: The Human Torch was an android created by one Professor Phineas T. Horton. At first considered a menace (if an inadvertent one), once the Torch mastered his powers he became a force for good. In fact, in Marvel continuity, the Torch actually killed Hitler at the end of World War II! Also known as Jim Hammond in his "human" form, the Marvel Torch's origin has become closely linked with that of the Avengers' resident android the Vision. Effectively, they are one and the same being (long story). Most recently the Human Torch sacrificed himself during battle in the Civil War miniseries.

The Movie: No film version of the original Human Torch is currently in the works, which isn't surprising considering that Fox already has a Human Torch in their Fantastic Four films.

Big Screen Prospects: Golden, Tarnished, or Rusted? Rusted



Namor
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Namor the Sub-Mariner

Prince Namor. Cover art for Sub-Mariner #1 (2007 limited series), by Michael Turner

Publication information
Publisher
Marvel Comics

First appearance
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly (April 1939)
Created by
Bill Everett (writer & artist)

In story information
Alter ego Namor McKenzie
Species Homo Mermanus/Homo Sapiens Hybrid

Place of origin Atlantis

Team affiliations Invaders
All-Winners Squad
Avengers
Defenders
Order
Deep Six
Illuminati

Notable aliases Namor the First, the Avenging Son, Imperius Rex, the Sub-Mariner
Abilities Amphibious physiology
Superhuman strength, flight speed, stamina, durability and longevity
Telepathic and electrical powers
Namor the Sub-Mariner is a fictional, comic-book character in the Marvel Comics universe, and one of the first superheroes, debuting in Spring 1939. The character was created by writer-artist Bill Everett for Funnies, Inc., one of the first "packagers" in the early days of comic books that supplied comics on demand to publishers looking to enter the new medium. Initially created for the unreleased comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, the Sub-Mariner first appeared publicly in Marvel Comics #1 (Oct. 1939) — the first comic book from Timely Comics, the 1930s-1940s predecessor of the company Marvel Comics. During that period, known to historians and fans as the Golden Age of Comic Books, the Sub-Mariner was one of Timely's top three characters, along with Captain America and the original Human Torch. Everett said the character's name was inspired by Samuel Coleridge's poem, "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner".[1]
The son of a human sea captain and of a princess of the mythical undersea kingdom of Atlantis, Namor possesses the super-strength and aquatic abilities of the "Homo mermanus" race. Through the years, he has been alternatively portrayed as a good-natured but short-fused superhero, or a hostile invader seeking vengeance for perceived wrongs that misguided surface-dwellers committed against his kingdom.
The first known comic book anti-hero, the Sub-Mariner has remained a historically important and relatively popular Marvel character.
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• 1 Publication history
o 1.1 Golden Age
o 1.2 Silver Age and after
• 2 Fictional character biography
o 2.1 Illuminati
o 2.2 Destruction of Atlantis
o 2.3 Secret Invasion
• 3 Powers and abilities
• 4 "Marvel's First Mutant"
• 5 Personality
• 6 Other versions
o 6.1 MC2
o 6.2 Ultimate Namor
o 6.3 1602
o 6.4 Marvel Zombies
o 6.5 House of M
• 7 In other media
o 7.1 Film
o 7.2 Animated series
o 7.3 Video games
• 8 Bibliography
o 8.1 Solo series and features
o 8.2 As team member
• 9 Footnotes
• 10 References
• 11 External links

[edit] Publication history
[edit] Golden Age
Namor the Sub-Mariner first appeared in April 1939 in the prototype for a planned giveaway comic titled Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, produced by the comic book packager Funnies, Inc. The only eight known samples among those created to send to theater owners were discovered in the estate of the deceased publisher in 1974. When the giveaway idea fell through, creator Everett used the character for Marvel Comics #1, the first comic book by Funnies, Inc. client Timely Comics, predecessor of Marvel. The final panel of the earlier, unpublished eight-page Sub-Mariner story had included a "Continued Next Week" box that reappeared, sans lettering, in an expanded 12-page story. The series Marvel Comics was re-titled Marvel Mystery Comics with issue #2 (Dec. 1939).


Namor's first cover appearance: Marvel Mystery Comics #4 (Feb. 1940). Art by Alex Schomburg.
Everett's unique, early anti-hero would, in time, battle Carl Burgos' android superhero, the Human Torch, yet eventually, as the U.S. entered the Second World War, ally himself with the Torch and the allies against Adolf Hitler and the Axis Powers. Other friends included Betty Dean, a New York policewoman introduced in Marvel Mystery Comics #3 (and later known as Betty Dean-Prentiss), who was a steady companion, and his cousins Namora and Dorma.
Namor starred in the Golden Age comic book Sub-Mariner Comics, published quarterly, then thrice-yearly, and finally bimonthly, from issues #1-32 (Fall 1941 - June 1949). A backup feature each issue starred the detective-superhero the Angel. Along with many other Timely characters, Namor disappeared not long after the end of WWII and the decline in popularity of superhero comics. He also briefly fought crime as a member of the post-war superhero team the All-Winners Squad, and, through a 1970s retcon, was given a history of having fought with the Allies during World War II in the superhero team the Invaders. Both these super-groups were built around the core of Namor, Captain America, and the original Human Torch. Some issues of the 1975-1979 series The Invaders reprinted Golden Age Sub-Mariner stories.
The Sub-Mariner experienced a brief revival in the mid-1950s, starting with Young Men #24 (which also briefly revived Captain America and the original Human Torch) and then in Sub-Mariner Comics #33-42 (April 1954 - Oct. 1955). During this time, Namora had her own spin-off series.

[edit] Silver Age and after
Namor returned in The Fantastic Four #4 (May 1962), where a member of the titular superhero team, Johnny Storm, the new Human Torch, discovers him living as an amnesiac homeless man in the Bowery section of Manhattan. Storm shaves the "bum" with his flames, recognizes Namor, and dumps him into the river in the hopes of restoring his memory, which it does. Namor immediately returns to his undersea kingdom (given a name in this issue for the first time in Namor's history, as Atlantis), but finds only an outpost destroyed by nuclear testing during his amnesiac years. He assumes that all his people are scattered and that he will never find them. Vowing vengeance on the surface world, he attacks it with an array of sea creatures. As the Fantastic Four battles him, he becomes enamored of team-member Sue Storm, a romantic crush he would carry for years.


Silver Age Sub-Mariner #1 (May 1968). Cover art by John Buscema and Sol Brodsky.
In The Avengers #4 (March 1964), Namor discovers an Arctic tribe worshipping a frozen figure preserved in a block of ice. Enraged at the idolatry, he throws the block into the ocean, where, after Namor's departure, it subsequently melts to reveal Captain America's body frozen in suspended animation; the superhero team the Avengers would shortly revive him. The previous issue, Namor joins the Hulk in an attack on the Avengers, but is repulsed when the temperamental Hulk leaves the fight.
This Namor, beginning in the 1960s during a period known as the Silver Age of comic books, is more authoritative, arrogant and solemn than the impetuous youthful character of the 1940s and mid-1950s, speaking in neo-Shakespearean dialogue rather than the more colloquial speech of his youth.
Again an anti-hero during this period, Namor variously finds himself allied with the supervillains Doctor Doom and Magneto, but his royal nobility and stubborn independent streak make these alliances-of-convenience short-lived. After various early guest-appearances, — including in Daredevil #7 (April 1965), a rare superhero story drawn by comics legend Wally Wood — Namor receives his own starring feature in the split-title comic Tales to Astonish (beginning issue #70, Aug. 1965). He was then spun-off into his own title, the 1968-74 series The Sub-Mariner. Some of the later issues of this series are notable for having been written and drawn by the character's creator, Bill Everett, shortly before his death; as well, they re-introduced a now-older Namora, and introduced her daughter, Namorita Prentiss.
Although he has served alongside, or even as a member of, superhero teams — most notably the Defenders, a "non-team" in which through mystical means he was forced to ally with Dr. Strange, the Hulk and the Silver Surfer, the Avengers, and both the World War II and modern-day versions of the Invaders — Namor remains an outsider.
The 12-issue miniseries Namor (June 2003 - May 2004), credited to co-writers Bill Jemas (then Marvel's president) and Andi Watson, and penciled initially by Salvador Larroca and later by Patrick Olliffe and others, explored Namor's youth, charting his teenage romance with a young American girl in the early 20th century. A six-issue miniseries, Sub-Mariner vol. 2 (Aug. 2007 - Jan. 2008), by co-writers Matt Cherniss and Peter Johnson and, primarily, artist Phil Briones, introduced Namor's heretofore undisclosed son, Kamar.
Never fundamentally either a hero or a villain, Namor has protected his kingdom and sought vengeance on the surface world only when he feels his realm is threatened.
[edit] Fictional character biography
Namor was born in the capital city of the Atlantean empire, then located off the Antarctic coast; he was born of the pairing of Atlantean Emperor Thakorr's daughter, Fen, and an American sea captain, Leonard McKenzie, of the icebreaker Oracle. When Fen did not return from investigating the ship's presence in their Antarctic waters, Thakorr sent soldiers to attack the Oracle, thinking her captured. In truth, McKenzie had taken her as his bride. In the ensuing attack, McKenzie was believed killed, and Fen returned to her kingdom. Nine months later, a pink-skinned child was born among the blue-skinned Atlanteans. He was raised in Atlantis, and when he matured would alternate between living there and adventuring in the oceans and on the surface. He became the Prince of Atlantis, and a warrior for his people.
When World War II broke out Namor put aside his differences with the surface world and fought alongside the team of Allied heroes that called themselves the Invaders. Namor was injured after the war and lived for a time in the Bowery district of New York as an amnesiac derelict who went by the name "Macin". During this time, the original site of Atlantis was destroyed by nuclear testing, forcing the inhabitants to move to a new location. After being awakened from his amnesia by Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four, Namor discovered the ruins of Atlantis. Believing his people destroyed along with his city, Namor vowed revenge on humanity. After several attacks thwarted by heroes including the Fantastic Four and the Avengers, Namor finally discovered the new home of the Atlantean people. After being repelled one more time in attempt to seize New York with his empire behind him, he called off his now baseless vendetta.


Sub-Mariner #67 (Nov. 1973), introducing the short-lived mid-'70s costume. Cover art by John Romita & Mike Esposito.
Namor eventually returned to Atlantis to marry his cousin Lady Dorma, with whom he had fallen in love. However, Llyra, an evil princess of Lemuria, another submarine culture, kidnapped and replaced Dorma at the wedding hoping to usurp Namor's kingdom in that way. Legally, though, Dorma was the one Namor had married, but he still had to find his wife. Unfortunately, Llyra had taken Dorma to the surface world in a tank as bait, and when Namor arrived, she smashed the tank to distract him. Namor was unable to save Dorma, and nearly went insane from grief. Not long after, Namor would reunite with his father, long thought dead; however, the reunion was brief and bittersweet, as Leonard McKenzie gave his life in battle against the villain Tiger Shark.
After being deposed from his throne and driven from Atlantis, Namor joined the Avengers. He was briefly married to Marrina, an aquatic-alien member of the Plodex as well as a member of Alpha Flight. Marrina had been abducted by Attuma at the time, and was holding her prisoner until Namor freed her with help from both the Avengers and Alpha Flight. Both he and Marrina established a small society of Atlanteans who were opposed to Attuma's tyranny in Namor's underwater grotto called Deluvia. Later, Marrina's genetic disposition to evil emerged and she was thought to have been killed battling the Avengers, but was she later revealed to be alive, but in a coma. Namor is still unaware of this fact.
Afterward, during the "Atlantis Attacks" storyline of 1989 Marvel annuals, rogue Atlantean elements declared war on the surface. Namor was presumed killed in the opening battle at the Panama Canal, but had actually survived, and after turning the tide of battle kept permitting the public to believe he was dead. During this time he rediscovered his cousin Namorita.
Months later in the South Pacific, father-daughter oceanographers Caleb and Carrie Alexander found a nearly mad Namor and nursed him to health. Caleb had long theorized that Namor's "rage" was due to his half-human half-Atlantean blood chemistry, and he equipped Namor with a monitor to warn when Namor had to seek either air or water. This allowed Namor to control his metabolism for the first time. Determined to continue to preserve the oceans and his people, but without revealing himself, Namor collected sunken treasures to finance his purchase of a corporation he renamed Oracle, Inc., using the Alexanders as proxy buyers. Under the guise of an international businessman and CEO of Oracle, he supported environmental causes. However, Namor was forced to reveal his survival when a terrorist bomb detonated on an Oracle submarine supertanker, threatening New York City. Later, Namor lost his ankle-wings when he released a mutagenic scrambler within the animated garbage-monster Sluj.
While continuing his business endeavors, Namor traveled to the dimension of K'un-L'un, where he found the hero Iron Fist, who had been presumed dead for many months. Returning to Earth and investigating the apparent invasion of Earth by the K'un L'un sentient plant race the H'ylthri, Namor was forced to fight their captive, the X-Men member Wolverine. The battle was interrupted by the sorcerer Master Khan, who wiped Namor's memory and dumped him in the American Midwest. Namor was "missing" for almost a year, and was known as "Rex," until Namorita tracked him down using a psychic link to him she had recently discovered. Namor did not regain his memory until sometime afterward, when he and the apparently resurrected Princess Fen were captured by Doctor Doom. The ship Doom had used to do so was then magically imprisoned in a bottle by Master Khan, who then assumed Namor's form and sold off much of Oracle's holdings. Namor soon broke the bottle and the spell, and killed Khan.
During the Acts of Vengeance, Namor was possessed by the super-villain Controller and sent after Captain America. Cap defeated Namor and released him from the Controller's mind-control.
Namor was then recalled to Atlantis to deal with border attacks by the "Faceless Ones". After Fen attempted to usurp the throne, it was revealed she was actually the witch-queen Artys Gran, who had stolen Fen's body. Namor was killed battling Gran's sorcerer-king husband Suma-Ket, but revived by Father Neptune, the deity worshiped by Atlanteans. In the process, Namor had his wings restored and was given the sacred golden armor of his ancestor, with which he defeated Suma-ket's forces. The real Fen, trapped in Gran's body, died defending her son from a final attack from Socus, the villains' servant. Namor eventually returned to both ruling Atlantis and running Oracle, Inc., but has remained generally out of the surface world. Oracle began funding the charitable super-group Heroes for Hire, with the team using an Oracle facility as its headquarters.
[edit] Illuminati
Namor is retconned as a member of the clandestine policy group the Illuminati, with Mister Fantastic, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Professor X, and Black Bolt,[2] although he is hostile in his opinions. When his cousin Namorita is killed in the explosion and mass deaths that lead to the Superhero Registration Act, which Namor also opposes, he activates sleeper agents of the Atlantean royal guard to search for Nitro, the supervillain responsible. With the aid of Wolverine, he captures Nitro. In the climactic battle between the pro- and anti-registration heroes, Namor brings an army of Atlanteans to aid Captain America's forces. Later, Namor attends the private, Antarctic funeral of Captain America, promising the few others present that no one shall disturb the site.[3]
Namor was the sole member of Illuminati opposed to the plan to exile the Hulk off-world. Upon the Hulk's return, Namor's cousin Namora allied with Archangel and Hercules in an attempt to support the Hulk's plans.
[edit] Destruction of Atlantis
Namor discovered he had a long lost son, Kamar, who attempted to usurp the throne of Atlantis by forcing war with the United States. Due to these events, Namor was forced to evacuate the entire civilization of Atlantis; ordering his people to emigrate to the surface world to live within sleeper cells, leaving an overcharged Nitro to explode within the empty city-state, assassinating the then captured Kamar. After this, Namor formed an alliance with the supervillain and European monarch Doctor Doom, leading a contingent of Atlantean soldiers to be based in Doom's nation of Latveria.[4]
[edit] Secret Invasion
Namor was at the meeting of the Illuminati where it was revealed that the Elektra the New Avengers fought was really a Skrull. When it turned out that Black Bolt was really a Skrull all along, the Illuminati fought it with the battle ending with Namor killing it.
[edit] Powers and abilities
Because of his unusual genetic heritage, Namor is unique among both ordinary humans and Atlanteans; he is sometimes referred to as "Marvel's first mutant," because, while the majority of his observed superhuman powers come from the fact that he's a hybrid of Human and Atlantean DNA, his ability to fly can't be explained by either side. (Atlanteans are an off-shoot of "baseline" humanity.) Namor possesses a fully amphibious physiology suited for extreme undersea pressures, superhuman strength, speed, stamina, endurance and durability, flight, telepathic control over marine life, a radar sense, electrical powers, and slowed aging. Namor has the ability to survive underwater for indefinite periods, and specially developed vision which gives him the ability to see clearly in the murky depths of the ocean.
Bill Everett, in his first Sub-Mariner story, described the character as "an ultra-man of the deep [who] lives on land and in the sea, flies in the air, [and] has the strength of a thousand [surface] men". No other powers were mentioned. When the series was revived in 1954, Namor lost his ankle wings and with them the power of flight; they, and his full strength, were restored in Sub-Mariner #38 (Feb. 1955), in which Everett additionally wrote a flashback story, "Wings on His Feet", detailing their appearance on Namor at age 14. This story was twice reprinted during the Silver Age of Comic Books, in Marvel Super-Heroes #17 (Nov. 1968), and in the book Comix by Les Daniels.
After he was revived yet again in the 1960s by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Namor demonstrated powers that had not been shown in earlier stories. In The Fantastic Four #9 (Dec. 1962), he states, "I have the powers of all the creatures who live beneath the sea! I can charge the very air with electricity — using the power of the electric eel!" In the same issue, "the radar sense of the cave fish from the lowest depths of the sea" enables him to sense the presence of Sue Storm when she is invisible. He uses "the power to surround himself with electricity in the manner of an electric eel" again in Strange Tales #107 (April 1963), and #125 (Oct. 1964); in the former he as well manifests the power to inflate his body like a puffer fish. These extra powers were ignored, however, when Marvel gave Namor his own feature beginning in Tales To Astonish #70 (Aug. 1965).
An editorial note in Marvel Tales #9 (July 1967), which reprinted the story from Strange Tales #107, stated explicitly that "nautical Namor has since lost his power to imitate the characteristics of fish...."
In all his incarnations, Namor possesses superhuman strength and, with the possible exceptions of Orka and Tyrak at their full sizes, is the strongest Atlantean ever known. The exact level of his strength is dependent upon his physical contact with water, in which he needn't be submerged. It has been shown as sufficient to effortlessly toss a water-filled ocean-liner, despite the underwater viscosity.[5] His strength diminishes slowly the longer he is out of contact with water, though an extended period on land does not result in his death, as it would for a typical Atlantean, and his power is retained in full as long as he keeps himself wet. Namor also possesses superhuman stamina and resistance to injury due to his hybrid nature. Namor's strength level is such that he has held his own in hand to hand combat with beings as powerful as the Hulk in the past.
Some stories have mentioned that Namor has gills for breathing underwater,[6] and artists such as Salvador LaRocca have drawn him with gill slits on either side of his neck.[7] In The Sub-Mariner #18-22 (1969-70), beings from outer space surgically closed Namor's gills for a time, leaving him with the ability to breathe air but unable to breathe underwater. Other sources have stated that his lungs contain oxygen diffusing membranes that allow him to breathe underwater.
Namor also possesses wings on his ankles to which he attributes his power of flight. On occasions when they have been lost or badly damaged, he has experienced a loss of flying ability. He could not fly as a child, and the power only manifested when the wings developed in adolescence.
Another ability unknown in the Golden Age and rarely displayed is his telepathic rapport with many forms of marine life. He also had a limited empathic rapport with Namorita.
Namor has greater longevity than a normal human being. He is well over 80 years old as he was born in 1920 in Marvel timeline, but has the appearance of a male in his prime. His identity as a pre-WWII super-hero is well-established, making him less subject to the sliding timescale of the Marvel universe.
Due to a unique aspect of his hybrid nature (not shared by Namorita), Namor is vulnerable to oxygen imbalance in his blood that trigger manic-depressive mood swings; he can prevent imbalances by regular immersion in water.
Namor was educated by the royal tutors of the Atlantean court, and speaks English, Atlantean, and Lemurian. He is a highly skilled business executive.
[edit] "Marvel's First Mutant"
Marvel has repeatedly identified Namor as "Marvel's first mutant", which is true with regard to the order in which the character appeared in print. However, he is not the first mutant in the fictional Marvel-universe timeline. A number of mutants predate him, including Apocalypse (born in the 30th century BC), Selene (active since at least 10,000 BC), Wolverine (late 19th century AD), Mystique and Destiny (dates of birth unknown, but known to have been active at the "Dawn of the 20th century"), the demonic mutant Azazel and a group of mutants known as the Externals.
In X-Men #6 (July 1964), X-Men leader Professor Xavier and antagonist Magneto each suspect Namor is a mutant. Later writers in the 1960s and 1970s described him as a hybrid, not a mutant, in order to distinguish him from the mutant X-Men.[8] When the series was revived in 1990, the series title logo carried the subtitle "Marvel's first and mightiest mutant!"
Namor is actually a hybrid of Atlantean and Human physiology, although he has principal characteristics that neither Atlanteans (Homo mermanus) nor Humans (Homo sapiens) possess. These include his ability to fly, his strength (which is several times that of an Atlantean), and his seldom seen (since the early 1960s) abilities of electricity generation, radar sense, ability to inflate his body to two or three times its size, and telepathic rapport with marine life.
In the first issue of the five part Illuminati mini series, after being experimented on by the Skrulls, it was confirmed that Namor is not only an Atlantean/human hybrid but also a mutant.
[edit] Personality
Namor's appearances prior to his first appearance in the Silver Age of comic books, in Fantastic Four #4, are depicted in Marvel-universe continuity as having occurred during Namor's youth. In 1940s and 1950s comics, Namor's speech, like many superheroes of the time, was laced with hip slang and topical idioms. He also used references to fish and other aquatic animals as expletives, in phrases such as "Suffering shad!" and "Great Pickled Penguins!" Roy Thomas, in his Saga of the Sub-Mariner, later explained that his use of slang was due to Namor using English slang as a way to separate himself from the Atlantean court formalities he loathed. He cracked jokes and exhibited a more carefree personality prior to his Silver Age reintroduction, after which he was depicted as a refined and dignified royal noble, albeit a short-tempered one. From his earliest modern-day appearance, Namor has shown romantic feelings toward Susan Richards, the superheroic Invisible Woman of the team the Fantastic Four.
[edit] Other versions
[edit] MC2
Namor is still active in the future timeline, and still uniting occasionally for battle alongside the Hulk and Doctor Strange as "Defenders". His appearance, while slightly older looking, is unchanged save for growing a goatee. In Fantastic Five (Vol 2) #1 it was revealed that he had held Doctor Doom captive for over ten years, after the mad monarch destroyed Atlantis. Doom subsequently escaped, and in #4, Namor is seen being tortured by him. He is freed after Reed Richards sacrifices himself to send both his and Doom's consciousnesses to the Crossroads of Infinty.
[edit] Ultimate Namor
In Ultimate Fantastic Four #24, the team is surveying the ruins of Atlantis and finds an estimated 9,000-year-old tomb containing the hibernating Namor — an imprisoned Atlantean criminal, considered the worst villain of his time. Reed Richards' translation of the Atlantean language reveals Namor's claims of kingship to be false.
His extreme intelligence allows him to become fluent in English in a matter of minutes merely by listening to S.H.I.E.L.D. agents and the Fantastic Four talking. Confronting the human, Namor withstands full-strength flares from the Human Torch and is strong enough to fight the Thing, withstand Sue Storm's force fields, and stretch Richards (Mr. Fantastic) to near-breaking. He destroys machinery designed to contain the Hulk. Though beaten by the Fantastic Four, he creates a tidal wave in the shape of Poseidon, threatening to destroy Manhattan with it. He is appeased when he demands, and receives, a meaningful kiss from Sue Storm. He then returns to the sea.
Ultimate Namor is a mutant Atlantean with amphibious physiology suited for high water pressure. He has vast super strength, durability, high speed swimming ability, flight, and water manipulation.
[edit] 1602
In the Marvel 1602 limited series 1602: Fantastick Four, Namor is reinvented as Numenor, Emperor of Bensaylum, a city beyond the edge of the world. When the characters arrive in his realm he is arguing with his cousin Rita (Namorita) about her reluctance to marry. She suggests that this is because he refuses to find a consort himself. Upon meeting the Four from the Fantastick, however, he is attracted to Susan Storm, and attempts to woo her, unsuccessfully. He later plots with Otto von Doom to win her, while "disposing" of Sir Richard Reed. However, Doom turns against him, and Numenor is stabbed with his own trident and dies.
Because Bensaylum is not underwater, its inhabitants are portrayed as basically human (although they retain the pointed ears).
[edit] Marvel Zombies
Namor can be seen as a zombie who is attacking Black Bolt. He is later killed in battle when the Marvel Zombies try to attack and devour the Silver Surfer who manages to kill the zombified Namor in the ensuing crossfire.
[edit] House of M
To follow up on Scarlet Witch's alter of reality, Namor was considered the "first mutant" in the reality that she created under Quicksilver's approval. He represented Atlantis when he was meeting with Magneto.
[edit] In other media
[edit] Film
On September 13, 2006, Universal Pictures announced that director Jonathan Mostow was attached to rewrite and direct Marvel Studios' Sub-Mariner. Kevin Misher is producing through his Misher Films, along with Marvel Studios. The screenplay had initially been written by David Self.[9][10]
[edit] Animated series
"The Sub-Mariner" was a segment of the 1960s animated series The Marvel Superheroes.
Sub-Mariner appeared in the Spider-Man episode "Wrath of the Sub-Mariner", attacking New York in response to pollution caused by The Kingpin.
He appeared in the "7 Little Superheroes" episode of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, alongside Captain America, Shanna, and Dr. Strange. Another episode featured someone dressed as the Sub-Mariner.
Sub-Mariner had a guest-starring role in an episode of the 1994 Fantastic Four animated series, voiced by James Warwick.
He appeared in The Avengers: United They Stand episode "To Rule Atlantis" voiced by Raoul Trujillo. His portrait is seen in the conference room in "Avengers Assemble" Pt. 1.
He appears in the 2006 Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes episodes "Imperious Rex" and "Atlantis Attacks" voiced by Michael Adamthwaite.
[edit] Video games
He is a playable character in the 1991 Sega Spider-Man arcade game.
He has a cameo role in the Captain America and the Avengers arcade game.
He is a video game boss in the 1997 Fantastic Four game.
In the Spider-Man video game for the PlayStation, Dreamcast and Nintendo 64, Namor has a cameo in the game's "What If?" mode during the underwater Carnage battle.
Namor appears in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance voiced by Joe Thomas.
[edit] Bibliography
[edit] Solo series and featuresMotion Picture Funnies Weekly unreleased promotional comic (1939)
Marvel Comics (Marvel Mystery Comics #2 onward) #1-91 (Oct. 1939 — April 1949)
Sub-Mariner Comics #1-42 (Spring 1941 — Oct. 1955)
Tales to Astonish #70-101 (Aug. 1965 — March 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner one-shot (April, 1968)
Sub-Mariner#1-72 (May 1968 — Sept. 1974)
Sub-Mariner Annual #1-2 (1971 — 1972)
Tales to Astonish vol. 2, #1-14 (Dec. 1979 — Jan. 1981; reprints Sub-Mariner #1-14)
Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner #1-4 (Sept.-Dec. 1984)
The Saga of the Sub-Mariner #1-12 (Nov. 1988 — Oct. 1989)
Namor the Sub-Mariner #1-65 (April 1990 — May 1995)
Namor the Sub-Mariner Annual #1-4 (1991 — 1994)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons one-shot (1996)
Incredible Hulk/Sub-Mariner Annual (1998)
Namor #1-12 (June 2003 — May 2004)
Marvel Masterworks: The Sub-Mariner (2004; reprints Marvel Comics #1, Daredevil #7, and Tales to Astonish #70-87)
Sub-Mariner vol. 2, #1-6 (August 2007-January 2008)
[edit] As team member
Marvel Feature #1-3 (Dec. 1971 — June 1972; as part of the Defenders)
The Defenders #1-16 (Aug. 1972 — Oct. 1974)
Invaders #1-41 (Aug. 1975 — Sept. 1979)
Invaders Annual #1 (1977)
Avengers (1964 series) #262-293 (Dec. 1985 — July 1988)
Invaders #1-4 (May—Aug. 1993)
Invaders (New Invaders #2 onward) #0-9 (Aug. 2004 — June 2005)
[edit] Footnotes
^ Peter Sanderson (1996). Marvel Universe. Virgin Publishing Ltd. ISBN 1-85227-646-0.
^ New Avengers: Illuminati Special
^ Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America
^ Sub-Mariner vol. 2, #1-6 (Aug. 2007 - Jan. 2008)
^ Hulk & Submariner '97
^ e.g., Namor #4-5 (1990); in the latter, Namor thinks "this New York river water burns my gills and scalds my lungs".
^ Namor vol. 2 (2002-2004)
^ As explained in the letters page of Sub-Mariner #31 (Nov. 1970)
^ Superherohype News (Sept. 13, 2006): "Jonathan Mostow to Helm Sub-Mariner", quoting Variety
^ ComingSoon.net (Sept. 14, 2006): "Jonathan Mostow to Helm Sub-Mariner", quoting Variety
[edit] References
Official Marvel.com: Namor
Marvel Directory: Namor
Don Markstein's Toonopedia: The Sub-Mariner
The Grand Comics Database
JC's Comic Collection Page: The Sub-Mariner
Comics 2 Film: Namor (Sub-Mariner)
Villains of Marvel Comics: The Grey Zone: Namor- character profile
Jim Hill Media: "A Tribute to Bill Everett, the Sub-Mariner's Father", by Monique Pryor
Heritage Galleries & Auctioneers: "Heritage to Auction Legendary 'Pay Copy' of Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1!" (press release, Sept. 16, 2005)
a site about the Golden Age Sub-Mariner
[edit] External links
Sub-Mariner at the Internet Movie Database
Covers of all Silver age issues of Sub-Mariner comics
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Namorita
by Jeanne Burch
Real name: Well, in a way it's Namora since she's a clone of her "mother," but she usually goes by Prentiss when she's on dry land. The name was adopted from her land-dwelling mentor (and former Namor flame) Betty Dean Prentiss; like most comic-book mentors (and most Namor flames, former or otherwise), Betty's eventual fate was to be murdered by a super-villain.
AKA: Nita. Little Barracuda (that's an affectionate term, believe it or not). Kymaera.
First appearance: Sub-Mariner 50
Favorite quote: "Why did Terrax scream like that? And why did that punk risk suicide by calling me 'babe' ?" (New Warriors 1. Battling for her life against a former herald of Galactus, Namorita still has time to ponder the deeper questions in the cosmos. The "punk," incidentally, was teammate Kid Nova).
Team affiliation: Namorita was forced by Byrrah, attempting to usurp the throne of Atlantis, to seek out and betray her kinsman Namor. Deciding after several adventures that the undersea life wasn't for her, she retreated to the surface world and tried to live as a normal air-breathing teenager. Somehow, she couldn't avoid getting tangled up with super-types like the Avengers and Ms. Marvel; giving in to the inevitable like so many I-wanna-be-normal heroines, she became a founding member of the New Warriors, where she eventually became involved with teammate Nova. As well as her continuing membership with the New Warriors, Nita had a long-lasting (and largely simultaneous) side-kick role in Namor's 1990s series. You had your choice of Namoritas while both series were running; you could pick up New Warriors and read about no-nonsense, blunt, kick-fin Namorita; or you could peruse Namor and see meek, deferential, thinks-Namor-kicks-too-much-fin Namorita. Two characters for the price of one! (Or one very schizophrenic character for the price of two magazines).
Powers: The clone of a cross-breed (or "halfling," as Atlanteans referred to the offspring born between surface dwellers and Homo mermaidus), Namorita inherited the Atlantean strength of her "mother," Namora, and like all Atlanteans, the ability to absorb massive doses of electricity. Further genetic engineering expressed Namora's latent mutant genes in her "offspring", which manifested in Namorita as ankle wings.
Favorite storyline: I'm not sure "favorite" is the word, but the disturbing tale presented in New Warriors 29-30 stands out. Traveling to Trans-Sabal to put an end to the bloody civil war, Nita and the New Warriors discover there are no correct choices, and why it is that other super-teams stay out of such conflicts.
Least favorite storyline: Oh, the whole "My Mother, Myself" clone business, which apparently came about because someone decided that offspring between humans and Atlanteans were sterile, which meant Namorita couldn't be Namora's daughter and an alternate origin had to be whipped up for Nita post-haste. Somewhere along the line Namorita's clone metabolism became unstable, turned her blue, gave her webbed hands and pupil-less eyes, and led her to adopt "Kymaera" as her new code name. Not learning from one cloning mistake, Marvel later went on to make a doozy with the whole Spider-clone mess...
Update: Namorita's still hanging out with the New Warriors, though her romance with teammate Nova was fatally wounded when Erik Larsen (writer of the mercifully short-lived third Nova series) had Nova callously neglect Nita in a time of dire need--though on the bright side, this same story got Nita back to her standard caucasian form. Since then, the mercifully short-lived second New Warriors series featured a brief romance between Namorita and the Human Torch (Johnny Storm), and also saw Namorita's evolving physiology develop new, additional features such as a self-camouflaging power (allowing near-invisibility) and the ability to secrete chemicals--including a highly corrosive acid and a paralyzing toxin--from her skin. -Old Sea Dog Sean





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The prince of the sunken city of Atlantis protects his home from all enemies both above and below the surface of the sea. full summary
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"AQUAMAN" seemed too tame, "THE MAN FROM ATLANTIS" was strictly a knockoff! But "THE SUB-MARINER" was the real McCoy! (No, Schultz! Not the Show with Walter Brennan!) more

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"AQUAMAN" seemed too tame, "THE MAN FROM ATLANTIS" was strictly a knockoff! But "THE SUB-MARINER" was the real McCoy! (No, Schultz! Not the Show with Walter Brennan!), 2 March 2008

Author: John T. Ryan (redryan64@hotmail.com) from Chicago, Illinois, United States
Namor, a Royal Prince of Atlantis, yet a half-cast Man; having one foot in the surface World and the other set in the unseen Undersea realm of legend, has proved to be one of the most perplexing of the Great Comic Book Heroes. He is a sort of Jekyll & Hyde character; sometimes kindly, benevolent and helpful toward the surface land-lubber civilizations; other times being hateful, vindictive and downright dangerous toward the air-breathers.

Much better known for years under the name of The Sub-Mariner; the Royal Antlantian is among the oldest of the Comic Book Super Heroes. With a couple of "cease publications" in his On-News Stand History, he has proved himself to have great "Box Office" appeal and staying power in the Comics Magazine Business. Following his triumphant return to the 4 Color Main Stage in Fantastic Four # 4, Sub-Mariner has been a constant source of Comics' Acton; first as a traveling guest-star & bad boy, and then as the Star of his own feature; ultimately leading to his own Comic Mag.* As for his own Genesis, the Good Prince was created in early 1939 by Artist & Writer, Bill Everett. The Sub-Mariner feature was intended to be a part of a Give-away Premium Comic Book. It was designed for distribution via the Country's Movie Houses in a prototypical and tentatively named failed title of "Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly".

With the failure of "Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly" to get successfully off of the Launch Pad, the company, Funnies, Inc., a contractor sent Bill Everett, Prince Namor and the rights to the Sub-Mariner feature to Timely Publications; all for Ca$h Con$ideration$.

So The Sub-Mariner went to Timely (later changed name to Atlas and ultimately to our more familiar moniker of Marvel). There he made his debut, along with Carl Burgos' The Human Torch, in Marvel Comics # 1, dated October, 1939. With Batman having bowed in Detective Comics # 27, dated May, 1939 five months earlier; that makes our Prince Namor about 5 months younger, hence the 4th oldest major Super-Hero Character around; behind Superman, Captain Marvel and Batman.** As previously stated above; after an absence of some 10 years or so, the Marvel Comics creative team of Stan Lee & Jack Kirby brought The Sub-Mariner back to the comics pages. Mr. Lee used that tongue-in-cheek humorous approach that had become identified with the Marvel method; but is missing in all but the opening and closing songs of the Marvel Show.*** And that would be that in Fantastic Four # 4, dated May, 1962, the Super Foursome found Sub-Mariner in a Bowery dive, living as Tramp/Vagrant/Bum/Poor, Unfortunate Homeless Person! The Human Torch/Johnny Storm correctly reasoned that returning him to the Atlantic Ocean would restore his memory.

Official'S TECHNICAL TIME OUT! As far as Sub-Mariner goes, there is a widespread sort of collective propensity to pronounce Sub-Mariner as suhb-mare-een-er, instead of the proper suhb-mare-in-er. Whereas the former may be an appropriate term for the brave men and women of our United States Navy's "Silent Service" or those serving on Submarines; the Creator, Mr. Bill Everett and the Publisher, Timely/Atlas/Marvel has always maintained that the latter was the proper pronunciation.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND CHILDREN OF ALL AGES, NOW FOR THE MAIN EVENT OF THE EVENING, we present the Sub-Mariner made-for-TV Cartoons! Someone once said that Chester Gould's DICK TRACY was the "best plotted and worst drawn adventure Comic Strip in the Newspapers!" So too, all of the components of the "MARVEL SUPER HEROES" TV Show (Famous Studios/Grantray-Lawrence/Marvel, 1966) have a somewhat similar such of a distinction. "THE SUB-MARINER" had perhaps as beautiful artwork as any; yet displayed "Clutch Cargo-like" animation as its accompaniment.

Given that its animation is not on par with any FANTASIA or the likes, the production crew compensated by making use of great incidental music & sound effects and with the talents of fine voice actors. John Vernon brought his rich tones to the show as Prince Namor, himself! As for the stories used in the series, they were direct and nearly flawless transference from printed page to celluloid comic book. They were that close and with original artwork done by the likes of Mr. Everett and Gene Colan, were no more than 2-3 years of age. They were quite contemporary.

"THE SUB-MARINER", as well as the 4 other series within the umbrella series of "THE MARVEL SUPERHEROES" is unique, memorable and high quality that holds up very well today; and would do well to be in one's video library, filed under "S" for , well, you know! Oh, yeah and by the way; does anyone out there realize that "Namor" is "Roman" spelled backwards! So does this make "Old Fish Head" Polish or Italian? NOTE: * As Jules Pfeiffer stated in his breakthrough book, THE GREAT COMIC BOOK HEROES (1965), "With the U.S. entering the War, Sub-Mariner went from hating all humans to hating Nazis, Imperial Japanese and Fascist Italians." NOTE: ** We can only determine which character is older by the date of his first appearance & publication. Though a Feature may be around and completed, but lacking a publisher for several years even, we must consider that as part of the gestation period.

NOTE: *** Whereas the Marvel prided itself in its "Don't Take Ourselves Too Seriously" tongue-in-cheek humor, the episodes of "THE MARVEL SUPERHEROES" seemed to be given a dead serious treatment; certainly a far cry from ABC's "BATMAN" (Greenway Productions/20th Century-Fox, 1966-68) with its "Camp" approach.






NAMOR: THE SUB-MARINER

Release Date: TBD
Country: USA
Distribution: Universal Pictures
Production: Marvel Entertainment, Universal Pictures
Director(s): Not Yet Announced

SUB-MARINER follows the adventures of the troubled Prince Namor, a half-man/half-amphibian creature from Atlantis.


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The latest Sub-Mariner rumors.
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August 08, 2003 - According to The Matt Damon Column, BBC 1 Radio reported that the Oscar-winner is in the running to play the title role in Universal's big-screen version of The Sub-Mariner. The project is based on the Marvel Comics character and will be written and directed by David Self (Road to Perdition) for Marvel Studios and Misher Films (The Scorpion King).


Matt Damon



As the MDC wisely points out, though, "Matt's previously stated that he wouldn't play a superhero or a comic book character, so this is definitely in the rumor file only."

Perhaps Damon's buddy Ben Affleck – a.k.a. Daredevil – talked him into it?

The Hollywood Reporter reminds us that "Sub-Mariner follows the adventures of Prince Namor, a half-man/half-amphibian creature from Atlantis. A troubled rebel with a short temper, he has helped the human race and fought against it when humankind polluted his underwater kingdom with waste."

Matt Damon is currently filming Brothers Grimm and will segue to The Bourne Supremacy. No word yet on when The Sub-Mariner will film.

Thanks to Ain't It Cool News for the heads-up.
-- Stax












-Universal

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